Who
Chad Linebaugh, President of Sundance Resort, Utah
Date Recorded
Oct. 27, 2026
About Sundance
Owned by: Two investment groups: Broadreach Capital Partners & Cedar Capital Partners
Located in: Sundance, Utah
Year founded: 1969
Pass affiliations: Power Pass & Power Pass Select: 3 days
Base elevation: 6,096 feet
Summit elevation: 8,250 feet
Vertical drop: 2,154 feet
Skiable acres: 580
Average annual snowfall: 275 inches
Lift count: 10 (2 high-speed quads, 4 fixed-grip quads, 1 triple, 3 carpets)
Why I interviewed him
I last hosted Linebaugh on the podcast in 2022, as the resort was prepping for its upper-mountain Wildwood expansion:
The beginner- and family-focused terrain pod was a brilliant way to open upper-mountain vistas to a demographic often sequestered to the bottom of the hill. The expansion could have been a nice period to end a paragraph of change at Sundance, one which had included the mountain’s first high-speed lift, Outlaw Express.
But Sundance wasn’t finished. Last year, the resort announced another terrain expansion, this time on the backside high peak, with 165 new acres stapled to the south side of the resort:
The new lift - Sundance’s second high-speed quad, opens this winter and will load near the Wildwood base:
Sundance is in a rough spot: lower, smaller, and shorter than the megaplexes churning international visitors through the grand parlors of the Cottonwoods and Park City. But the bump is making a run, even without hitching itself to the Epic and Ikon super-collectors. It’s a damn fine story, and a damn fine place to ski.
Transcripts
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Stuart Winchester: My guest today is the president of Sundance Resort in Utah. Sundance is in the midst of a big expansion that includes 165 acres of new terrain and the ski area’s second high-speed quad.
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Stuart Winchester: The ski area offers a 2,150-foot vertical drop served by 10 lifts. He has worked at the ski area since 2006. He is a very good friend of the Storm, making his second appearance on the podcast. Chad Leinbaugh joins us. Chad, welcome back to the Storm.
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Chad Linebaugh: Mm-hmm.
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Stuart Winchester: Always good to catch up. How you doing today?
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Chad Linebaugh: Stuart, I am fantastic. It’s great to be back with you. Love connecting with you and all of your network that you’ve built. I mean, it’s incredible the reach that you have. You know, when I was on your podcast years ago, it was just incredible how many people commented. So thank you for having me.
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Chad Linebaugh: Having me back on.
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Stuart Winchester: So, I’m gonna jump right into this. You’re welcome anytime, Chad. I wanna jump right into this expansion, because nothing gets me riled up.
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Stuart Winchester: in a good way, like an expansion. I just had Brandi Hammond right up the road from me the other day to talk about her expansion, and Utah is just exploding. So just to give the listeners and viewers an orientation here.
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Chad Linebaugh: Yes.
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Stuart Winchester: if they’re watching on YouTube at Storm Ski Journal or on stormskiing.com. So, a few years ago.
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Stuart Winchester: Sundance was basically from here.
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Stuart Winchester: down, so it basically, it started at the Outlaw Express, and went up to, uh, the top of the peak on Red’s Lift here. So, when Chad and I were talking last, in 2022, they were adding this whole beginner expansion.
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Stuart Winchester: They had just added this high-speed quad, the high-speed quad to replace this big, complicated up and over lift that was awesome, but I would imagine a nightmare to maintain.
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Chad Linebaugh: Yes, and that was a 25-minute Lyft ride, right? That old fixed grip, now down to 7 minutes.
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Stuart Winchester: Y-yeah.
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Stuart Winchester: Right, and they had this… they put in this little stairway lift instead to reach you back up. Uh, and they were about to put in this beginner expansion, then…
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Stuart Winchester: Last year, they told me they were doing another expansion, and they opened part of that last year, and are opening the full thing this year. So that’s… I set the table. Chad, fill in the blanks for us. Just, first of all, just tell us about the expansion.
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Stuart Winchester: what we’re getting lift-wise, terrain-wise, and how you anticipate that it’s going to change Sundance?
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Chad Linebaugh: Yeah, that’s great.
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Chad Linebaugh: this will be our most transformational year in Sundance Resort history. And in your very kind intro, I was the general manager in 2006, but I actually started working here in 1994, so my time goes back even earlier. No, no, no, it’s fine, I’ve been here 32 years now. I only mention that because I’ve seen.
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Stuart Winchester: Oh.
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Stuart Winchester: Oh, my bad.
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Chad Linebaugh: such a transformation of this place. And even before I worked here, when I was a teenager kid in, you know, 1985, is when that Reds lift, at the time it was called Arrowhead lift, was put in. That was a big mountain expansion. But I guess I’m just saying, I can tell you, this is, from a historical perspective.
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Stuart Winchester: Right.
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Chad Linebaugh: our biggest transformational year. And as I was thinking about coming on this, uh, this podcast with you, Stuart, I thought there’s three things that we’ve really been trying to solve here at Sundance. One is, you know, high-speed chairlifts, right? Because most skiers and riders absolutely want high-speed chairlifts.
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Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.
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Chad Linebaugh: And I am so happy to now make this statement, which is, once this new chairlift opens, Electric Horseman, you can ski 100% of our mountain from those two high-speed chairlifts. To your point, we still have other lifts. We’ve got, uh… we’ll have, you know, 5 other fixed-grip chairlifts, we’ve got the Magic Carpets.
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Stuart Winchester: Amazing.
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Chad Linebaugh: which gives the full experience, but you can ski the entire mountain, front and back mountain, from just simply those two high-speed chairlifts. So that’s… and we can dive in deeper on all this. The other thing is snowmaking. I mean, we all know.
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Chad Linebaugh: how important snowmaking is nowadays. And last year is a great example of that. We had our lowest natural snow year on record, and yet we still operated a really successful, complete winter.
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Chad Linebaugh: So we have completely revamped our snowmaking system over these past 5 years, and again, we can dive into some of those details. And then lastly, it would be the lodging experience here. You know, we have transformed the arrival, the lodging experience, by building the Inn at Sundance Resort, which opened last February.
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Chad Linebaugh: So this will be our first full winter with it, and it’s placed this beautiful, um, designed hotel in 63 rooms, right in the base of the village, literally steps away from Outlaw Express, you know, the high-speed we built a few years ago.
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Chad Linebaugh: And it’s transformed the experience, and of course, we can dive deeper in that, but to me, as kind of the intro, it’s those three things, right? It’s adding the high-speed chairlifts, it’s completely new snowmaking system, and then adding the Innit Sundance, and it’s really transformed the.
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Stuart Winchester: Yeah, let’s talk about each of those in turn here, Chad, and I want to start with what you said about high-speed lifts. So, again, I’m showing the trail map here. So, this reds lift…
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Stuart Winchester: is not old. It’s a 2016 quad, right? And when this was put in, you still had a quad on the front side as well, this long fixed-grip quad that had dated back, uh, quite a ways to… well, actually only to 1995, but still. So.
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Chad Linebaugh: That’s right. Yeah.
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Chad Linebaugh: Right.
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Chad Linebaugh: Mm-hmm.
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Chad Linebaugh: Yep.
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Stuart Winchester: so much has changed so fast in the ski industry, and I think in particular in Utah, starting…
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Stuart Winchester: in the lead-up to the last Olympics, where skier visits have just doubled, and the secret’s out on the airport access and the snow.
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Chad Linebaugh: Right.
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Stuart Winchester: So…
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Stuart Winchester: Just 10 years ago, Sundance said, okay.
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Stuart Winchester: Fixed grip lift is fine for Sundance. We’re just Sundance, who cares? But now, 2021, you put in Outlaw, and now 2026, put in Electric Horseman. That’s a lot of money. Uh, but, but what changed your mind? Is it, is it the competitive landscape? You know, Deer Valley just built a dozen high speed lifts in 3 years.
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Chad Linebaugh: Yeah.
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Stuart Winchester: Powder Mountain’s putting in lifts like crazy. Utah is just… it’s transforming so fast. So take us through the thought evolution here of saying, okay, enough with the fixed grips.
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Stuart Winchester: We’re in a place where we need to be competitive, and this is what we need to be competitive, or is there a different narr.
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Chad Linebaugh: Yeah, it’s a great question. And, you know, we’re very fortunate that we have such a strong base of local skiers who, you know, this is their mountain, then mixed with that destination ski market. It’s kind of an interesting story. I think if you ask some of our die-hard locals, they actually preferred the fixed-grip chairless, right?
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Stuart Winchester: Yeah.
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Chad Linebaugh: Because the mountain would get tracked out slower, right? It’s less people on the mountain in that amount of time.
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Chad Linebaugh: Now, as soon as they ride the high-speed chairlift, they’re like, okay, I get it, this is great. But we knew, we knew that to be competitive in drawing those destination skiers here into Utah, and specifically to Sundance Resort, they want those high-speed chairlifts, right? I mean, you get more skiing per hour.
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Chad Linebaugh: Um, it’s just a much better experience. So it really has transformed the ski experience. I think before, if somebody looked at Sundance, and they’re like, okay, it’s all fixed grip chairs, it’s beautiful, you know, nice mountain, but, you know, I want a high-speed chairlift, they may have just not considered this as an option for them.
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Chad Linebaugh: But now it’s transformed, and 100% of our acreage is now… will now be accessed by high-speed chair.
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Stuart Winchester: Let’s talk about that acreage here, Chad, and I’ll share the map again here. So, this…
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Stuart Winchester: is…
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Stuart Winchester: All the new terrain. So just it looks pretty intense. And so.
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Chad Linebaugh: Yum.
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Chad Linebaugh: Yeah.
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Stuart Winchester: you know.
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Stuart Winchester: Actually, was that part of the terrain before?
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Chad Linebaugh: So, yeah, about where you’re cursed, go up to, you see where Vertigo is right there, so coming down, um, down a little bit lower to Vertigo was open, um, but it was pretty limited in the way it was open, because that ridgeline at the top was very difficult for people to ski. You know, the ridgeline that we now call Storyteller.
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Stuart Winchester: Yep.
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Stuart Winchester: Yeah. Okay.
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Stuart Winchester: Okay.
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Stuart Winchester: Okay.
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Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.
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Chad Linebaugh: That ridgeline has been completely graded and transformed, making the access into Vertigo, Wonderboy, Tango, the Sting, much more accessible. Very few people used to ski that, because it was very difficult to get over to the tops of those runs. So by.
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Stuart Winchester: Okay.
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Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.
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Chad Linebaugh: by creating the Storyteller Ridgeline Run, which, by the way, is going to become one of the most iconic ski runs in Utah. I mean, wait until you see this thing, wait until you ski it. The views, the pitch, uh, everything about that run is just gonna be world-class.
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Chad Linebaugh: The new terrain this year is there to the bottom left, the Bull 1, the Bull 2, and the Bull 3.
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Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.
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Chad Linebaugh: And that will be truly the steepest runs you can ski here at Sundance. And you’ll notice we’re not naming those yet. We want to go through a winter, have people ski those, and kind of let the experience and the feedback shape what we name those bowls. So bowls one, two, and three.
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Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.
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Stuart Winchester: Right.
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Chad Linebaugh: That’s about, you know, with the Storyteller Ridgeline and those bowls, that’s about 68 acres that we’re opening this winter. Now, the other part of the story would be next winter.
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Chad Linebaugh: Um, and that’s a great graphic to pull up. That darker shaded gray is the additional 105 acres that would open next winter. The reason why is we need… our ski patrol needs a winter, this coming winter, to really kind of test this out. Now that we have, you know, a cat track and access coming out of there.
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Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.
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Stuart Winchester: Hmmm.
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Chad Linebaugh: And there might be some days this year, based on conditions, that we can get some skiers in there to help test that. But we see this as kind of a testing year for that new bowl. That 100 acres will open next winter, you know, winter of 27-28. Um, but this winter, it’s that entire ridgeline, those 3 new bowls.
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Chad Linebaugh: And then, of course, just having better access to that that terrain that’s been there for a while.
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Stuart Winchester: In these maps that Chad’s describing, I want to include these in the article that accompanies this podcast on stormskiing.com for those of you who are listening rather than watching. So, you know, Chad, one thing that struck me about skiing at Sundance as compared to even skiing up in the Cottonwoods is how exposed it is up top.
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Stuart Winchester: And I would imagine that you have…
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Stuart Winchester: a great deal of avalanche mitigation considerations going into this. Now, a lot of the operators I talk to have spent a lot of money and a lot of time putting in, uh.
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Stuart Winchester: I forget what they’re called, avalanches, you know, the automatic little things that, you know, like Taos, for example, has them. And I think most of the big, like, Alpine Meadows, the big avalanche.
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Chad Linebaugh: Right, right.
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Chad Linebaugh: Yep.
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Stuart Winchester: It looks like you’re going to have some stuff you have to do.
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Stuart Winchester: really tend to. So how are you preparing?
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Stuart Winchester: What’s your level of avalanche mitigation right now, and how are you preparing to move over skiers right into this, what looks to be pretty exposed terrain? Maybe it just looks that way, and it’s not. I don’t know.
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Chad Linebaugh: No, you’re exactly right, Stuart. In fact, that’s why we need a winter to test that bigger bowl area. And to your point, you know, our ski patrol and our patrol director are very focused on that. They’re very experienced. People may misunderstand Sundance. They look at it as possibly a smaller mountain.
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Chad Linebaugh: Which acreage-wise it is, you know, we’re about just under 600 acres, um, but the amount of terrain we have and the amount of expert terrain that has avalanche paths, you know, near it, above it, to the side of it, that needs to be controlled is pretty significant.
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Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.
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Chad Linebaugh: And our team does an incredible job. But to your point, that’s exactly why we will take this winter to really study out that new bowl area and really focus this winter’s operation on those three new bowls that we’re opening. But to your point, right now we’re still doing the traditional method. We do have an avalanche here at the top of Red’s lift that we use to kind of shoot over to that terrain.
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Chad Linebaugh: above, above Hill’s head wall. Um, but all the other routes are done by, you know, hand, hand work and hand control, so, um, uh, our ski patrol is, I mean, they’re, they’re here now, they’re training today. I mean, they’re in training, getting ready for this winter season, which is quite exciting, and.
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Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.
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Chad Linebaugh: No doubt they’ll do a great job.
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Stuart Winchester: One of the big differences between the rapid pace of development in Utah versus Colorado is a lot of.
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Stuart Winchester: Utah ski areas are not on Forest Service land, and I believe you are not, correct me if I’m wrong.
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Chad Linebaugh: You are right, this is all private property that our company owns. I mean, all the way up to that far back ridge that you’re seeing that we will open next year, this is all… 100% of our ski acreage is on private property.
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Stuart Winchester: And is that, and I know I asked you this four years ago, but these things change, is that the extent to which, because I know you own thousands of acres, right? Is that the extent to which you anticipate growing the ski experience, or could we see more expansion in the future?
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Chad Linebaugh: Right.
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Chad Linebaugh: Yeah, it’s a really good question. I think there’s only one more area that could be expanded, and it’s that area kind of the top right of Hill’s Head Wall, if you look over to the top right, because our property does go up a bit higher there. We’ve looked at that. I would say anybody watching this, listening, don’t get your hopes up too much. I think that would be down the road quite a ways.
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Stuart Winchester: Okay.
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Stuart Winchester: Oh, okay.
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Chad Linebaugh: I think we’re… I think after this year… well, after next year, when we open that bowl, I think, as far as the Alpine Ski Mountain, we’re pretty much built out. There is potential to go up a little higher above Hill’s Head Wall, which we could look at down the road. Um, but to your point, you know, Sundance is roughly 3,000.
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Chad Linebaugh: and the ski mountain itself is 600 acres. So much of the land is our, you know, we have the Nordic Center, where we do alpine, or excuse me, cross-country skiing and snowshoeing, and then just, you know, thousands of acres that are put into conservation easement, which is part of what makes the Sundance ski experience so.
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Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.
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Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.
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Chad Linebaugh: is that you are just immersed in nature, and there’s not a lot of development around the ski resort, unlike what you see at some other resorts, which is great and fine that they’re developing a lot, but here at Sundance, you get kind of that pure, protected, you’re immersed in nature experience.
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Stuart Winchester: So to, to visualize this a little bit for the folks who are watching, I, I pulled up on Google Earth Sundance. So the, the new expansion will be out here. What Chad is talking about is over here. So.
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Chad Linebaugh: That’s right.
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Stuart Winchester: We’re not going to go all the way up Mount Timpanogos, I don’t think, but how far up could you go here? Is it this way?
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Chad Linebaugh: Right.
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Chad Linebaugh: Yeah, it’s about… come back a little bit, yeah, bring your cursor a little bit, go up… go up a little bit higher, right about there, maybe slightly down a little bit, is about where our property line goes. So there is… I mean, we have… we have run a study, we have a concept of a lift that could go up to that point, there’s…
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Stuart Winchester: Okay.
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Stuart Winchester: Okay.
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Stuart Winchester: Okay.
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Chad Linebaugh: There’s some complications with that, we’re not sure that it will ever happen, but it’s a potential, right? I wouldn’t rule it out, but I think that’d be years down the road, because we’ve, you know, we’ve improved so much, expanded so much these past 5 years, we’re excited to see the guest reaction to this. But there is potential down the road.
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Stuart Winchester: Alright, so let’s focus on what we are getting. So, I’m back to the regular trail map here. So, regular Sundance skiers will notice Electric Horseman.
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Stuart Winchester: loads in a really interesting spot. It’s a spot that I don’t think existed before you built Wildwood. So, you have this really clever Wildwood, this great pod, I skied this with my son, and it’s just an awesome, awesome pod for families. So, before, you had this kind of weird ski around to Red’s Lift, or.
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Chad Linebaugh: That’s right.
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Chad Linebaugh: Yes.
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Chad Linebaugh: Mm-hmm.
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Stuart Winchester: or to flathead lift, which is a super old triple chair. Just talk about the interaction of Wildwood and Electric Horseman with the front side, and kind of how you put this whole puzzle together to really.
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Stuart Winchester: Not just expand terrain, but use this as an opportunity to change how the mountain skis, even outside the expansion.
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Chad Linebaugh: Yeah, it’s fun because that Wildwood pod, like you’d mentioned, is all beginner runs, and it’s mid-mountain, which is kind of fun for a beginner to skier to know they’re going mid-mountain. It’s south-facing slopes, which a lot of people said, well, why would you put it south-facing? Well, we have extensive snowmaking there. We can build, you know.
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Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.
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Chad Linebaugh: you get those south-facing slopes, it’s sunny mornings, sunny middays, um, guests love to have learning ski experiences over there. So it’s transformed our ski school experience, having that 50-acre pod that’s really dedicated to that beginner ski experience. And like you said, Stuart, it’s great for families just taking laps on that.
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Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.
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Chad Linebaugh: Um, what’s fun now is the electric horseman train is kind of the exact opposite of that. Even though the bases of those two lifts kind of come together in a similar area, you know, one is the base of our beginner train, the other one is the base of now our most expert train.
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Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.
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Chad Linebaugh: Uh, as we open up those new bowls. But, so, it’s kind of this good convergence that brings, you know, skiers and families together in the same area, but both accessing totally different type of terrain.
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Stuart Winchester: Okay.
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Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.
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Stuart Winchester: So, the, the lift in, in this, uh, Google Earth shows it a little better than the trail map, how this is an upper mountain.
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Stuart Winchester: beginner pod. Now, what I really like about upper mountain beginner pods is… is… when you’re in the base, it’s very chaotic, and you get up and you get that true alpine experience, especially with how beautiful Sundance is. So… so, essentially, Chad, they’ll…
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Stuart Winchester: Come out of here to go up to the new terrain. So what what does that mean then?
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Chad Linebaugh: Yep.
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Stuart Winchester: for Red’s Lift, for Stairway, and for Flathead Lift, because you had mentioned there may be some operational.
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Stuart Winchester: Changes, and personally, I always kind of like when they open a fast grip, a fast lift, and a slow lift that run similar lines, because I’ll take the slow, because there’s no line. You know, but that’s just me, I’m weird. So talk to us about these other three lifts, because Flathead’s probably ready for retirement, but Reds and Stairway are very new.
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Chad Linebaugh: Yum.
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Chad Linebaugh: Yeah, you’re exactly right. And so Red’s and Stairway will continue operating for the foreseeable future. They’re very important to our operation. As you said, there’s many skiers and riders who will choose to continue to lap Red’s lift. It’s such a great lift. But again, everything you ski on Red’s lift can be accessed from electric horsemen. So I think the majority of our guests will probably lap the high-speed chairlift.
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Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.
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Chad Linebaugh: But to your point, you know, on busier days, if there’s a line, which I don’t think there’ll be big lines, but you can go over and just ski there on reds, Stairway still provides that access to get back up to the top of the front mountain, so that’s an important kind of service lift. To your point, Flathead Lift, it’s an interesting story for those who don’t know.
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Chad Linebaugh: You know, like Stuart said, you know, that was put in in 1975. It was, you know, state-of-the-art triple chair at the time. People are very fond of that lift. It’s been here, you know, since 75, and people are like, don’t get rid of flathead lift! I mean, at some point, we will retire that. I think it’ll still be a couple.
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Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.
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Chad Linebaugh: But that’s the one lift that I think can go away that is certainly redundant in everything that we’ve done here. But as far as reds and stairways, those will continue to operate.
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Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.
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Stuart Winchester: Yeah, and you can, again, on the Google Earth, you can see a little bit how… it’s just a weird-shaped mountain. And the mountains in Utah are all a little bit weird. You know, they’re not super conical or ridge-like, like the Colorado mountains. They kind of go up and down. They have little tucked-in corners. So you can see how Flathead rises up and gives really good access to this.
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Chad Linebaugh: Yep.
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Stuart Winchester: that people miss otherwise, and then the stairway takes you back out. So, do you anticipate reds maybe as, like, a volume lift that you run on busier days, but stairway would always be running?
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Chad Linebaugh: Yep.
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Chad Linebaugh: Yeah, I think that’s exactly right. I mean, I can see that Stairway is just running on weekends or high-demand periods. I think Reds will run most day. Again, we’ll test it this winter and see how it feels. Um, you know, and then keep in mind, our summer operation, which we have a robust summer operation with scenic lift rides, hiking, etc.
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Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.
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Stuart Winchester: Yeah, thank you.
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Chad Linebaugh: That’s where Red’s lift and stairway really come into play to kind of shuttle, you know, get those guests from Outlaw Express all the way up to Bear Claw’s cabin. That’s how we service that as a food and beverage area. We also have our zip line that runs based off of those lifts. So those lifts are very important to us from.
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Stuart Winchester: You know, Chad, I have to admit, I failed when I was at Sundance. I did not visit Bear Claw Cabin.
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Chad Linebaugh: Oh, wow.
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Stuart Winchester: And, uh, so, so…
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Chad Linebaugh: Okay, you’re coming back this winter, so that’s gonna be number one on the list. We’re getting you to Bear… I mean, here’s what your listeners need to know about Bearclaw’s Cabin. First of all, you’re at, you know, you’re at the top of the mountain, you’re looking over, you can see the top of the Snowbird Tram from there, you can look over and see.
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Stuart Winchester: Yeah, I I yeah.
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Stuart Winchester: Okay.
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Stuart Winchester: Yeah.
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Stuart Winchester: Oh, wow.
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Chad Linebaugh: I mean, truly some of the most panoramic views you will see anywhere. The other thing that’s interesting about Bear Claw’s cabin is we have really become famous for nachos. I know it sounds funny, but people are just fanatical about the nachos that you can get there. Of course, you can get, you know, a beer, a glass of wine.
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Stuart Winchester: Okay.
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Chad Linebaugh: uh, we’ve got great food up there, but it’s really the, uh, it’s just the views and the ambience up there that make that really special. Um, you know, I’ll say this too, you know, Robert Redford, who’s of course our founder of all things Sundance, he passed away last year, but Bearclaw was one of his favorite places. I mean, it was so often.
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Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.
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Chad Linebaugh: you know, up until a few years ago when he was still skiing, he would just be up there. It’s just, anybody who spends much time at Sundance, it’s where you want to be. It’s just, it’s just the vibe of Sundance.
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Stuart Winchester: So, so this, uh, so I’m looking at Bearclaw now on this Google Map. So, from, from the trail map, Chad, it looks like Electric Horseman is gonna take me, when I come there to get some nachos, it’s gonna drop right about where Red’s is, right, but closer to Bearclaw, so I have no excuse?
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Chad Linebaugh: Yum.
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Chad Linebaugh: You have no excuse. It drops you right at Bearclaw, you’re exactly right. So, uh, you’ll be stopping in there.
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Stuart Winchester: Alright. I will be sure to get the nachos, and I’m scheduled to be there in February. Okay, let’s jump back over the mountain here, and let’s go back down, because…
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Chad Linebaugh: For sure.
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Stuart Winchester: I want to talk about this new hotel that you snuck in, because as you can see.
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Chad Linebaugh: Yum.
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Stuart Winchester: It’s pretty crowded down there, you’re in this little box canyon.
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Chad Linebaugh: Mm-hmm.
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Stuart Winchester: And here’s your high-speed lift. Is this the new hotel?
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Chad Linebaugh: That is the new hotel, and it’s interesting because this rendering almost makes it look bigger than it actually is. Keep in mind, it’s 3 stories. Um, it was, you know, one of Robert Redford’s development principles was build nothing taller than the tallest trees.
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Stuart Winchester: Wow.
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Stuart Winchester: Okay.
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Stuart Winchester: Yeah.
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Stuart Winchester: Yeah.
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Stuart Winchester: Oh, cool.
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Chad Linebaugh: And when you look at it, you can see we are very intentional in the height of that building, that it’s below the tree line. Because when guests pull up and arrive at Sundance, we want them to see the mountain, we want them to see the trees.
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Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.
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Chad Linebaugh: The other thing that’s interesting about this building, I’ll never forget, we sat with our ownership group, an architect, we sat in a room back in March of 2021, and we were trying to figure out if we should put the building on the ski slope side or the parking lot side, as it relates to that river that runs through it, right?
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Stuart Winchester: Okay.
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Stuart Winchester: Mm-hmm.
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Chad Linebaugh: And then we had this idea, we thought, well, what if we build the hotel as two buildings, connect it with the bridge, and literally have the river run through it? Which, for listeners who don’t know, Robert Redford, one of his greatest films, in my opinion, is a film called A River Runs Through It, starring Brad Pitt. It’s about fly fishing, right? So how appropriate.
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Stuart Winchester: Mmm.
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Stuart Winchester: Amazing.
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Chad Linebaugh: that runs right through our hotel. What this image doesn’t show, because this image was during construction, but there’s this really charming covered bridge that connects those two buildings. And it was intentionally kind of oriented that when you walk across that bridge as your arrival experience, you’re looking right up at the nearly 12,000 foot mountain.
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Stuart Winchester: Hmm. Okay.
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Chad Linebaugh: Pinogos there in the backdrop. So it’s, uh… I mean, I’ve literally seen people’s mouths just open up, and they just have this exclamation of, like, wow, this is… it’s just such a beautiful, beautiful setting.
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Chad Linebaugh: The other thing that this hotel has done for us is really transformed the destination guest arrival experience, where you check in, we’ve got a gatehouse where they’ll call ahead, bell staff come out, get your skis, your snowboards if you brought your own. We put those in a storage area, it has a proper.
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Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.
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Chad Linebaugh: you know, ski… we call it the boot room, but the lower level of that building on the ski slope side is a boot room and locker room for all of our guests, where they can get suited up for the day, get their boots on. They walk out on the path, and we’ve got their skis and boards right there on the snow for them. And you can see…
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Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.
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Chad Linebaugh: that it is truly the closest hotel to lift access in the state of Utah. It makes it such a convenient experience going from your guest room right out there to the slopes.
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Stuart Winchester: That is amazing. And that’s not just a starter lift, right? Because when you told me that, I threw back, oh, what about Chickadee at Snowbird? But really, you just ski down to the tram, and that doesn’t take you the whole way. So you have this high-speed lift that goes all the way to the first summit.
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Chad Linebaugh: Right.
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Chad Linebaugh: That’s right.
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Chad Linebaugh: Down.
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Stuart Winchester: Right there. People… people tell me I’m making them dizzy with my moving around, but I’m trying to get better, because I think it shows such a… such a cool perspective. So, alright, Chad, so I… I wanna… the hotel is… is awesome.
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Chad Linebaugh: That’s right.
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Chad Linebaugh: No, it’s great.
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Stuart Winchester: And I’d imagine that’s made a difference in…
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Stuart Winchester: As people search for alternatives to some of the busier places in Utah, uh, maybe it’s helped them consider Sundance. I, I want to get an update on your take on multi-mountain passes. So you’ve sat out Epic Icon Indy.
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Stuart Winchester: Uh, Mountain Collective, you are…
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Stuart Winchester: nominally on the power pass as a reciprocal partner, and that’s cool. I really like Mountain Capital Partners and everything they’re doing. They’re also expanding aggressively and doing a great job, I think.
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Chad Linebaugh: Right.
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Stuart Winchester: But, give us your current thinking on whether you think that Sundance would ever be a fit for a National Multi-Mountain Pass, or if you think you’re better off going it alone.
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Chad Linebaugh: Yeah, it’s a great question. You know, our ownership team and I, we discussed this 4 or 5 years ago, and I will just say, our decision we made then has been confirmed now. We are very comfortable with our decision to not join one of those multi-pass products. Um, in fact, as you’d mentioned with the Mountain Collective Pass, that all started with Brian Head Resort in southern Utah.
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Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.
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Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.
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Chad Linebaugh: And it was actually before they even purchased Brian Head. But that’s where that whole relationship started, and it has continued, and that’s a nice benefit for them and for us. But Sundance, we’re unique in so many ways, and we have just found that being independent totally works.
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Chad Linebaugh: Now, with that in mind, we have a really cool product called the S-Card. So, if you’re a destination skier from New York or Connecticut, wherever you’re coming from.
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Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.
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Chad Linebaugh: Um, you know, and you’re not gonna buy a season pass from us, you can buy an S-card. The first time purchase is $119, that gives you one day of skiing, and then every time you come back after that, and you come to the resort, it would just be $109 for a day of skiing. And it’s direct to access, so it looks and feels.
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Stuart Winchester: Okay.
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Stuart Winchester: Oh, great.
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Chad Linebaugh: just like a season pass, but your credit card is attached to that, so you avoid purchasing a pass, and it’s, you know, a normal day rate this year is $169, so it’s giving you that discounted rate of $109 each time you come back and ski. So we have some unique programs like that that really work well. Also, this winter, here’s a cool thing.
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Chad Linebaugh: If any guest books a room for 3 nights in the inn.
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Chad Linebaugh: they ski all 3 days for free. 2 day passes per day, uh, when you stay 3 or more nights. So, we have all kinds of incentives to bring people down here and experience Sundance.
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Stuart Winchester: Hold on.
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Stuart Winchester: You’ll…
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Stuart Winchester: the old ski and stay, so you’ll love this, Chad. So, uh, people obviously come to me a lot for ski recommendations, especially people who don’t ski a lot, and I had an acquaintance guy I’d worked with.
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Stuart Winchester: he was searching around, he saw my newsletter, and he said, oh, you know, you know about skiing, it looks like you do. You know, me and my girlfriend are going to Park City.
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Stuart Winchester: you know, just to go, and we wanted to try skiing, but it’s, like, insanely expensive, you know, it’s 300 and whatever dollars a day. I said, uh, go to Sundance.
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Chad Linebaugh: No.
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Chad Linebaugh: Yeah, right, yeah.
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Stuart Winchester: If you’re gonna have a car, because it’s close, uh, it’s a lot more approachable, you can actually see the whole thing in a day.
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Chad Linebaugh: Yes.
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Stuart Winchester: Uh, and…
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Chad Linebaugh: Come on.
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Stuart Winchester: And it’s not gonna… you know, it’s still… still skiing, you know, it’s still not free, but it’s not like, uh… what do you think of Brian Head in Nordic Mountain doing $9 lift tickets, Chad?
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Chad Linebaugh: Unbelievable, yeah. I’m like, wow. Talk about jumping back to the 1970s, right? But you know, Stuart, I really like what you’re saying. In fact, I think it’s a great point that we love what’s going on in Park City, Deer Valley, Deer Valley East. It’s bringing so much attention to Utah. I mean, Deer V.
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Stuart Winchester: Yeah, but you…
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Stuart Winchester: Yeah.
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Chad Linebaugh: here. And there’s thousands of hotel rooms being developed over there. And we are seeing more and more that those guests coming to Deer Valley, Park City, if they’re up there, you know, staying for three or four nights, they’re going to want to come down here for one of those days to ski. And that’s where this program really works well. To your point, to get $109.
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Stuart Winchester: Yeah, so.
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Stuart Winchester: Mm-hmm.
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Chad Linebaugh: day lift ticket here, you know, it’s, it’s a pretty, it’s a pretty reasonable approach.
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Stuart Winchester: All right, Chad, I wanna…
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Stuart Winchester: I want you to leave us with this. You mentioned the passing of Mr. Redford. I don’t know if you had a personal relationship with him.
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Stuart Winchester: But I just wanted to give you the opportunity to talk about his legacy, what he may have meant to you personally, what he meant to the resort, and how you might be honoring his legacy.
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Chad Linebaugh: Well, thank you, and to answer your question, yes, I had a very deep personal relationship with him. I mean, next to my own father, he was the most influential figure in my life. He very much was a fatherly figure for me, and so when he passed away on September 16th of 2025, it was.
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Stuart Winchester: Umm.
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Chad Linebaugh: very emotional for all of us, anybody who spends any time here at Sundance. I mean, his presence was always so felt here. Um, the thing I will say is many of us noticed that soon after his passing, in many ways, we felt his presence and his spirit even more.
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Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.
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Chad Linebaugh: Because someone like him, who had such an impact on not only this place, but really the entire world, his legacy lives on in so many ways. And I really think that what… everything we’re doing here today are all things he wanted to do. You know, even building the hotel, he was always interested in having.
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Chad Linebaugh: a small hotel, you know, nothing big, but the right-sized hotel right here in the village. He loves skiing! I mean, skiing was his passion, and I have no doubt he would be so thrilled with the way that we have continued to expand the mountain in the right way, but at the same time honoring all the conservation easements.
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Stuart Winchester: Yeah.
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Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.
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Chad Linebaugh: So, you know, we take it very serious that we are honoring his legacy, but we’re also finding ways to evolve the business in all the right ways, and I think we’re finding the right balance for that. But I will say, we miss him very much, but this is his place, and it always will be.
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Stuart Winchester: Your base village is, uh…
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Stuart Winchester: Very eclectic. There’s a lot of artsy stuff in little shops and restaurants and some of those yurts that folks may have seen earlier.
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Chad Linebaugh: Yeah.
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Stuart Winchester: Is there a place, a memorial, or a place you can learn about Sundance’s history and Mr. Redford?
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Chad Linebaugh: You know, I like that question, and because the answer is this, it’s… and this is so… I’ve never thought about it this way, but Redford liked… you have to… he liked you having to discover things, right? Like, not just putting it right in front of somebody, but having people have to kind of make a journey to discover that, and I think that’s the answer to your question.
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Stuart Winchester: Mmhm.
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Chad Linebaugh: There’s not one spot here at Sundance that is like the memorial to Robert Redford. But as you walk around the property, there’s all kinds of things, and you have to kind of experience it yourself. And the new inn, the new hotel, is also an example of that. I mean, we’ve got a 1971.
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Stuart Winchester: Yes.
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Chad Linebaugh: Honda Scrambler motorcycle featured as, like, an art piece in there, because Robert Redford loved motorcycles, and that’s how he’d get around the property. We’ve got some cool artifacts that tie to his film career, to his conservation efforts. We commissioned a beautiful art piece of a Rocky Mountain bighorn sheep that hangs over the fireplace.
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Chad Linebaugh: in the hotel, because he reintroduced the Rocky Mountain bighorn sheep to this area many years ago. So…
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Stuart Winchester: Wow.
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Chad Linebaugh: I will say this to all your listeners, if they come here and they want me to give them the tour that shows all those things, I could do that, right? I mean, they can discover it on their own, but there’s definitely kind of a path to exploring this property and seeing all the nods and all the kind of highlights of Robert Redford in so many different ways.
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Stuart Winchester: Yeah. Okay.
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Stuart Winchester: That’s awesome, Chad, and I’m sorry for the loss, but a great man with a great legacy, and he obviously meant a lot to that property and to everyone who had anything to do with building it. So, we made a deal, and I’ll let the listeners in.
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Stuart Winchester: we said, we’re gonna come on, you’re gonna come on the show, talk about the expansion, then I’m gonna go ski it, and in the spring, you’re gonna come back on, and we’re gonna talk about how it worked out. So, if you… if… if you’ve not had your fill of Chad Leinbaugh, you will get more. So, Chad.
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Chad Linebaugh: Yep.
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Chad Linebaugh: Yes.
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Chad Linebaugh: Love it.
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Stuart Winchester: Always, always, always good talking to you, man. I really appreciate the relationship and the time, and really what you’re doing with Sundance. I think it’s a really good model of…
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Chad Linebaugh: Thank you.
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Stuart Winchester: How an independent?
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Stuart Winchester: can thrive when it’s surrounded by giants if it tells its story right. And I think you’re doing a really good job with that.
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Chad Linebaugh: Well, thank you, Stuart, and we appreciate all you do, and we love the relationship with you as well, and cannot wait to have you out here. We’re gonna have some nachos together up at Bear Claw’s cabin.
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Stuart Winchester: I’m counting on it. All right, Chad, take care.
